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GM[1]
FF[1]
CA[UTF-8]
AP[Jago:Version 4.53]
ST[2]
RU[Japanese]
SZ[19]
KM[0.50]
TM[1800]
GN[Shygost lesson 11]
PW[fishbait]
PB[StoneLord]
WR[16k]
BR[18k]
DT[2006-02-18]
C[
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This is the 12th lesson presented by shygost (Lance Kemper, shygost@pacbell.net) on KGS, at 03:00 GMT on Saturday, 18th February, 2006.

The original lesson was given by audio (shygost speaking, observers typing responses).  This file is an unofficial text transcription, and is not guaranteed to be accurate!

This is version 2 of the transcription, completed on 26th February, 2006.

An archive of all the lessons, including unedited SGF files, transcriptions, and mp3 audio recordings, is on the web page http://tengen.bur.st/

Questions, comments and corrections regarding this transcription should be posted to the web page http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shygost/Lessons

If you enjoyed this lesson, and it was useful to you, please consider donating some money to fund more public lectures. There is a donation button on http://tengen.bur.st/  Thank you!]
RE[W+13.50]
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C[Today's lecture is a review of one of GottaGo's games.  The game was played on IGS.

When pros review games, they often say "That was a terrible move", even if the move was 95% right.  A 1 dan amateur would play at about 80-85% consistently, so 95% is good enough for most of us.  Today's lesson should give us some ideas for good moves; we're not looking for _perfect_ moves here.

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Launchpad [-\]: can hear :)
RetroGen [24k\]: Hi all
rayen [8k\]: I hear you ^^
Reepicheep [11k?\]: mic noise
GottaGo [16k?\]: Loud and clear!
mqt129 [12k?\]: can't hear
RetroGen [24k\]: More coffee :D
RetroGen [24k\]: Scary sound :D
Launchpad [-\]: lol
RetroGen [24k\]: I'm so happy I can turn it off :)
RetroGen [24k\]: Archive (or file) options sbeep on message or :D
subtitles: Today's lecture is a review of one of GottaGo's games
Uberdude [13k\]: whose game was this? GottaGo 16k ?
Launchpad [-\]: just some good kyu mistakes
Adolffff [5k\]: who is GottaGo
Reepicheep [11k?\]: review Idea is a nice one
Brewhaha [18k\]: Is there a good way to review one's own games?
Uberdude [13k\]: ok, too latte
RetroGen [24k\]: Oh yeah shy would you have time for review a game after this lecture? :)
AkuSokuZan [-\]: every move is a mistake to someone stronger
keplen [7k?\]: hmm sound is extremely quiet
keplen [7k?\]: pushed up stereo to mad level now
subtitles: 1 dan players play at 80-85% consistently
subtitles: Pros reviewing a game will say "bad move" if it's only 95% right
rayen [8k\]: some do ^^
RetroGen [24k\]: Shy gives good reviews! He is nice and couraging! :)
subtitles: but for most of us that's great
keplen [7k?\]: when the stones start clacking, i expect to fall out of the chair :p
subtitles: We're not looking for _perfect_ moves
Launchpad [-\]: how convenient!
RetroGen [24k\]: Even if he thinks one move is bad he wont tell it like "This move is so bad that I would like to cry" like someone did :D
subtitles: ("subtitle" is a guest account)
hlamonde [20k?\]: im the same way
AkuSokuZan [-\]: lol me niether
subtitles: (my registered account is "xela")
GottaGo [16k?\]: Subtitles is your Gost writer.
olczyk [14k\]: paranoid
kilroy [-\]: got it, not info can't trust
Launchpad [-\]: like the xelaphone?
Uvas [-\]: gost writer, nice
tetris [-\]: hey subtitles, i hear you're stronger than flameblade :)
rayen [8k\]: people with no info is just on kgs to play imo ^^]
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B[pd]
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W[ep]
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B[pp]
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W[cd]
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B[co]
C[I have a couple of problems with C5...]
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AE[co]
LB[ed:D][co:C][cp:B][cq:A]
C[A (C3), B (C4) and C (C5) are all reasonable.

If the bottom is bigger, then you want to play A.
If the left is bigger, C.
The normal move is B--that would be the best move in this corner.

D (E16) is another possibility.  D is in a friendly area (for black), whereas B is in an unfriendly area.  In either case, it's equal.

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subtitles: Let's get going
subtitles: I have a couple of problems with C5
subtitles: A,B, C all reasonable
NannyOgg [-\]: A B and C are all reasonable
sagax2005 [10k?\]: yup
HotLava [12k\]: is e16 better?
NannyOgg [-\]: if the bottom is bigger -> A
subtitles: If the bottom is biggerm
subtitles: want to play at A
NannyOgg [-\]: if left bigger > C
FlameBlade [-\]: (letting you know...someone called subtitles is a subtitle-typing person.)
subtitles: if left bigger, want to play C
NannyOgg [-\]: if normal, play B]
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B[co]
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W[cl]
C[Let's look at both colours.

This pinch (C8) is a bit strange.

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rayen [8k\]: who are the players ?
subtitles: Let's look at both colours
sagax2005 [10k?\]: hey???]
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W[ec]
TR[ec][cd]
C[(Variation) If white already has a shimari, it makes sense]
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AE[ec]
C[(Back to the game)]
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B[dq]
C[The corner is huge.]
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AE[cl][dq]
AW[cq]
C[(Variation)]
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B[cl]
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W[cj]
C[This is the opposite: white gets the entire corner.

C3 is the only move for white (instead of playing C8 in the game)]
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AE[cj][cq]
AW[cl]
C[(back to the game)]
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B[dq]
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W[dp]
C[This is a mistake.

Pressing in has no meaning: it strengthens black, and makes white heavy.

Strong players (4 dan up) don't want to play unnecessary moves.]
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AE[dp]
AW[eq]
TR[eq]
C[(Variation) This is the right move.]
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AE[eq]
AW[dp]
C[(back to the game)]
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B[cp]
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W[eq]
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B[dr]
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W[er]
C[Now we have an interesting question: should black get out (i.e, run to the centre with D6) or not?  We need some criteria to decide.

There are three questions we should ask:

1.  Is black already alive?
2.  Is white weak?
3.  Is it big?

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Uberdude [13k\]: e2 bad?
subtitles: Good question (D6)
subtitles: should B get out or not?
rayen [8k\]: I would like to get out
HotLava [12k\]: profit
tetris [-\]: i think he should
tetris [-\]: get out
Uberdude [13k\]: ok
olczyk [14k\]: K4
Archaic [7k\]: instead of getting out maybe play top left corner?
subtitles: Need some criteria to decide
HotLava [12k\]: no
subtitles: Since B has full step at B7, not dead
Archaic [7k\]: this guy has a good voice
subtitles: W loves living, taking points
subtitles: Step 3:
tetris [-\]: yes
NannyOgg [-\]: yes
ray12 [24k\]: this is like science class
NannyOgg [-\]: :)
Pilsun [18k\]: ahh that makes sense, thank you]
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W[dm]
C[(Variation) Is D7 sente?

Answer: no, black is alive.

How sure am I? ...



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tetris [-\]: w c2
subtitles: is D7 sente?
HotLava [12k\]: dead
Uberdude [13k\]: yes, as splits white so good i tihnk
rayen [8k\]: sente
subtitles: No, B is alive
subtitles: all fine
ChiyoDad [19k\]: At risk?
HotLava [12k\]: well white lives in gote?
rayen [8k\]: ^^
Caso [20k\]: hehe]
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W[bq]
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B[cq]
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W[br]
C[Black is not even surrounded yet.

I wouldn't even bother to read it out.  Here's why...]
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B[bm]
C[We have a full step.  Black isn't surrounded, there is plenty of room to live.]
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AE[bq][cq][br]
AW[bm]
TR[bm]
C[(Variation) If white plays B7, black is surrounded--but now we've given white two moves in a row.]
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AE[bm][dm]
AB[dn]
C[Question 2: Is white weak?

When black runs out, is he attacking white?]
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W[iq]
C[(Variation) Answer: no.

White gets about 10 points here.

White is happy to live and take points; but D6 for black is dame.]
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AE[dn]
AW[dm][en]
AB[bq]
TR[dk][el][fm][fn][fo]
C[(Variation)  Question 3: Is it big?

James Kerwin calls these "invisible stones" (see a previous lesson).

If white can get all this for free in sente, it's too much.

However, this is gote for white, so it's OK.  Black can neutralise white's wall.

The proverb is: "Don't get surrounded in sente".

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subtitles: Kerwin-- "invisible stones"
RetroGen [24k\]: Shy is just good teacher! :)
subtitles: If W can get all this for free in sente,
subtitles: that's too much.
GottaGo [16k?\]: Yes
RetroGen [24k\]: I wish I had enough money to hire him teach :)
rayen [8k\]: to much problem later on
Uberdude [13k\]: GottaGo, were you white or black?
GottaGo [16k?\]: Black
subtitles: In gote, it's OK
Reepicheep [11k?\]: black]
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B[nq]
C[Now let's change the board so the answer's "yes"...]
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AE[en][bq][iq][nq]
AW[pp]
C[(Variation)  White's wall is big.  Even in gote it's worth it.

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HotLava [12k\]: nice
sagax2005 [10k?\]: hmm?????
subtitles: Change the board so the answer's yes:
subtitles: white's wall is big
sagax2005 [10k?\]: ok
rayen [8k\]: ai caramba
subtitles: even in gote it's worth it
tetris [-\]: sometimes
ray12 [24k\]: is subtitles a person?]
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AB[pp][mq]
TR[mq]
C[(Variation)  so here it's good to reduce white's wall.

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rayen [8k\]: a robot !
Uberdude [13k\]: kgs not that advanced yett ;-)
subtitles: (no, I'm some new voice recognition software)
Archaic [7k\]: why not play top left corner shyguy
HotLava [12k\]: yes
Launchpad [-\]: good stuff
ChiyoDad [19k\]: Too risky to play closer to the wall?
AkuSokuZan [-\]: understandable
HotLava [12k\]: it's all common sense so far
backpacker [9k\]: yes
subtitles: so here it's good to reduce white's wall]
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AE[mq]
AB[ec]
TR[ec]
C[(Variation)]
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W[nq]
C[Good for white.]
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AE[ec][dm][nq]
AB[hq]
TR[hq]
C[What about playing closer to white's stones?

Shygost hadn't considered this, because he'd been looking at the big wall with white stones at D7 and E6.  But the wall isn't actually there yet, so this is a good way to play.

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subtitles: but here the wall isn't actually there
RetroGen [24k\]: HAve ditched all coding for a while :D
dolphyfan [21k\]: aha]
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W[en]
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B[kq]
TR[cl][en][dp][ep][eq][er]
C[All the white stones are wasted.

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subtitles: all W stones wasted
Pilsun [18k\]: why do we attack on the 3rd line instead of at h4?
GottaGo [16k?\]: white can't split with k3 instead of running?
Archaic [7k\]: yep
subtitles: (E2 up)]
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AE[en][hq][kq]
C[(Variation)  Note that black should attack on the third line, not the fourth...]
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B[hp]
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W[hr]
C[Black doesn't have a good response to this move.]
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B[iq]
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W[ir]
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B[jr]
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W[jq]
C[White can counterattack.]
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AE[hp][iq][jq][hr][ir][jr]
AB[dn]
C[(Back to the game)  ...so D6 is understandable, but wrong.]
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W[ip]
C[Playing on the fourth line is wrong, because this is not a growing area.]
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B[nq]
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AE[nq]
AB[kq]
TR[kq]
C[(Variation) Black should play L3]
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W[iq]
C[
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GottaGo [16k?\]: I'm often understandably wrong.
HotLava [12k\]: can white foot sweep?

(There was some confusing discussion about the definition of "foot sweep".)]
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AE[iq][kq]
AB[nq]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[lq]
C[This is correct.  It is perfect and necessary.

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Archaic [7k\]: can white wipe his white feet?
subtitles: B should L3 not O3
dolphyfan [21k\]: foot sweep?
subtitles: M3 is correct
tetris [-\]: foot sweep?
subtitles: perfect and necessary
Archaic [7k\]: that's funny
tetris [-\]: what is it?
olczyk [14k\]:  Isn't J4 too close to E4?
Archaic [7k\]: that actually exists?
HotLava [12k\]: yah
tetris [-\]: what's a foot sweep?
subtitles: (footsweep-B L3 W K2?)]
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B[pj]
LB[ed:A]
C[Black could also play A (E16) instead.  Usually you'd play at A with no question, but here the right is developing nicely.

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Uberdude [13k\]: could white pincer there?
subtitles: or at A is good
subtitles: Usually play A with no question
Archaic [7k\]: what about attacking the weak c8 stone shyguy
subtitles: but right is developing nicely]
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AE[pj]
AB[ci]
TR[ci]
C[(Variation)  C8 is not so weak.]
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W[el]
C[Now black has to try and settle.]
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B[cf]
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W[ec]
C[This is all about defence, not attacking.  (i.e, trying to attack C8 isn't good for black)]
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AE[ec][cf][ci][el]
AB[pj]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[bn]
C[This (B6) is a good move.]
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B[bq]
C[B3 was smart.]
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AE[bq]
AB[bo]
TR[bo]
C[(Variation) This would be my first impression...]
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W[bm]
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B[bq]
C[...but...]
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AE[bm][bq]
AW[cn]
TR[cn]
C[...white can play this way instead...]
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B[do]
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W[bq]
C[This is not good for black.]
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AE[cn][bo][do]
AB[bq]
C[(Back to the game) ...so GottaGo did the right thing here.

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subtitles: so GG did the right thing
Launchpad [-\]: woof!
olczyk [14k\]: How about preparing to attack C8?
Launchpad [-\]: XD
rayen [8k\]: voff voff !
Archaic [7k\]: i said that already olc
ray12 [24k\]: it has phones ringing]
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W[cn]
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B[do]
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W[cr]
C[
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subtitles: background noise: the dog is barking]
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B[ds]
C[C1 would be a better move here.

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RetroGen [24k\]: Who let the dogs out wuf wuf :F
NannyOgg [-\]: lol
RetroGen [24k\]: :D
subtitles: C1 better]
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AE[ds]
AB[cs]
TR[cs]
C[(Variation) This gives white less room to move.]
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AE[cs]
AB[ds]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[es]
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B[br]
C[B2 is good.  Playing C3 instead would be a mistake.  This way black makes two eyes by splitting the area in two.]
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W[dm]
C[Again, we have to ask: does black need to get out?  It's the same three questions as before.

1.  Is black alive?  Yes.
2.  Is white weak?  No.
3.  Is it big?  See variation...]
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B[fn]
C[(This is the move black played in the game)]
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AE[fn]
AB[ed]
TR[ed]
C[(Variation)]
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W[fn]
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B[df]
C[Yes, white's bottom area is growing, but he already had that area.  The increase is maybe two points.  This is good for black.

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subtitles: Is it big?
GottaGo [16k?\]: Not a threat to the bottom?
subtitles: No
ray12 [24k\]: dont talk so quickly
Archaic [7k\]: lol ray
Uberdude [13k\]: g4 area growing now?
HotLava [12k\]: ur dont talking quickly
AkuSokuZan [-\]: that wasnt quick talk
HotLava [12k\]: not
RetroGen [24k\]: fishbait = shygost? :D
Deebster [16k?\]: no, that speed is good - lots to get through
ray12 [24k\]: these speakers r not really verry good
subtitles: Yes, bottom is growing
Pilsun [18k\]: the talk speed is fine..
subtitles: but W already had that area
tetris [-\]: who's w?]
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AE[ed][df]
AB[fn]
TR[fn]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[go]
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B[em]
C[I wonder why black plays here.

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Adolffff [5k\]: boo
NannyOgg [-\]: the dark side!
olczyk [14k\]: Don't swear.
subtitles: B is not cut
Archaic [7k\]: what rank are the players?
subtitles: Wonder why B plays here
GeorgeW [8k\]: 9p of course]
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W[el]
C[Black's move is basically zero, but white gets a wall and good shape.  This is a bad exchange for black.]
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B[fl]
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W[ek]
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B[fo]
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W[fp]
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B[ec]
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AE[ec]
AB[mc]
TR[mc]
SQ[pp][nq]
C[(Variation)  This works very well with the shimari (O3 and Q4)

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subtitles: Remember shimari O3
AkuSokuZan [-\]: both players 16k?
subtitles: Another idea--very big
GottaGo [16k?\]: Nice.   I like that move.]
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AE[mc]
AB[ec]
TR[ec]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[ch]
C[Both players are double-digit kyu ranks.

White's move (C12) is horrible.  It's too close to the thickness at C8, and it's too flat.

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subtitles: Yes, both players are double-digit kyu
dolphyfan [21k\]: can N 17 because of Q 10?
shyfox [13k\]: why was c 12 bad]
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AE[ch]
AW[df]
TR[df]
C[(Variation)  This is as close as you'd want to be to the thickness.

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subtitles: Yes, both players are double-digit kyu
dolphyfan [21k\]: can N 17 because of Q 10?
shyfox [13k\]: why was c 12 bad]
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B[mc]
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AE[mc][df]
AW[ch]
TR[ch]
C[(Back to the game)  Black's next move is perfect.]
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B[de]
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W[ce]
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B[df]
C[Keep white low and flat.]
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W[dd]
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B[ed]
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W[cf]
LB[fe:A][dg:B]
TR[ee]
C[Now black has to fix up the cutting point at E15.  There are two ways: A (F15) and B (D13).]
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B[dg]
C[This is the right way: it's doing more work.]
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W[dh]
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B[fe]
C[...and now F15 is the only choice.]
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W[nc]
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B[lc]
C[This is the only move.

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GeorgeW [8k\]: Isn't O18 better than N17?
GeorgeW [8k\]: For white]
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W[qc]
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B[qd]
C[How do you decide which side to block?]
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W[pc]
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B[od]
C[First let's look at the normal joseki...]
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W[nb]
C[(Variation)  Choose this because we all know it better.]
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B[me]
C[Black's wall is working well at both the top and the right side.]
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AE[nb][pc][od][qd][me]
C[Now compare the other way...]
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B[pc]
C[(Variation)]
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W[qd]
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B[pe]
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W[pb]
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B[ob]
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W[qb]
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B[oc]
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W[qf]
C[White didn't get enclosed: black's wall is working well only on one side.  The value of Q10 is cut in half.

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yuri [6k\]: M17 is too tight for that
tetris [-\]: ruins moyo
subtitles: W didn't get enclosed
subtitles: Only one side working well
rayen [8k\]: less aji
subtitles: Q10's value cut in half]
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AE[ob][pb][qb][oc][pc][qd][pe][qf]
TR[qc]
C[(Back to the game)  Dan players can look at a joseki and visualise the end position.  It's a very useful tool to be able to choose the right joseki.]
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B[qd]
C[...so this is the right way to block.]
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W[pc]
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B[od]
C[
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HotLava [12k\]: yah i think 018 is the joseki]
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W[rc]
C[S17 is a bit of a change.]
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B[rd]
C[O16 is the real answer.]
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AE[rd]
AB[nd]
TR[nd]
C[(Variation)  This is sente.  If white ignores it, the corner dies.]
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W[mc]
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B[md]
C[This is joseki, but less common (compared to white playing O18 instead of S17).  Black's wall is huge.

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Coyotebd [18k?\]: Takagawa Kaku vs. Rin Kaiho 1975 Meijin, 13th round.
GottaGo [16k?\]: I made a big mistake soon.
subtitles: Wall is huge]
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AE[mc][md][nd]
AB[rd]
TR[rd]
C[(Back to the game)  Black's stones are awkard.]
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W[qh]
C[
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subtitles: to choose best one.
ray12 [24k\]: wats with the subtitles?
quatschi [14k\]: 3 options
subtitles: Black's stones are awkward

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Comment by transcriber: in previous lessons, shygost says that a stone is safe if it has three directions to play (or something like that).  I think that's what quatshi's comment is reminding us of: white's invasion at R12  has a lot of options to follow up.]
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B[qi]
TR[od][pd][qd][rd]
C[I don't like the kick (R11).  The marked stones are going to die soon.  We can see the birth of it here.

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GottaGo [16k?\]: Please avert your eyes at this point!!!
Coyotebd [18k?\]: o18 now?
subtitles: Don't like the kick (R11)
subtitles: Marked stones are going to die soon]
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AE[qi]
AB[nd]
TR[nd]
C[(Variation)  O16 is absolute sente.]
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W[mc]
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B[qi]
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W[ph]
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B[md]
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W[nh]
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B[lh]
C[Now this is working better.]
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AE[mc][md][nd][lh][nh][ph]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[ph]
C[
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subtitles: We can see the birth of it here
olczyk [14k\]: Thick but eyeless.]
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B[nh]
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W[of]
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B[mf]
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AE[mf]
AB[nd]
TR[nd]
C[(Variation)  This is the last chance for black...]
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W[mc]
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B[md]
C[...but there are still a lot of problems.]
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W[oi]
C[This is a big hole.]
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AE[oi]
AW[qk]
TR[qk]
C[(Variation)  This is a vital point.

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GottaGo [16k?\]: I thought I was enclosing him.  But I was dreaming.]
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AE[qk]
AW[mf]
TR[mf]
C[(Variation)  This is also possible.]
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AE[mc][md][nd]
AB[mf]
TR[mf]
C[(Back to the game)]
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W[nd]
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B[rh]
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W[rg]
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B[ri]
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W[qf]
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B[ne]
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W[oe]
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B[eh]
C[N16 is sente for black.

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olczyk [14k\]: How worrisome is the cut at M16?
subtitles: N16 is sente for B]
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AE[eh]
AB[md]
TR[md]
C[(Variation)  If white ignores N16...]
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B[oc]
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W[ob]
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B[nb]
C[...so white must respond to N16...]
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AE[ob][oc]
AW[nb]
TR[nb]
C[(Variation)  Now, where should black play next?

This is the end of a big phase, so it's a good time to count...about 75-80 points for white (? see comment)...white is about 30 ahead.

S13 lived: that was huge.

If black wants to continue, it's time to get aggressive.

So, where can black play to cause trouble?

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(transcriber's comment: while shygost was counting, the audio was a bit unclear, especially when he said "white".  One of the observers thinks that should have been 75-80 for _black_ instead.  To me, shygost's count looks reasonable: white has about 30 points in the top right, including prisoners, about 20 at the bottom, and about 25 on the left, total 75 (komi for this game was only 0.5).  Counting black's territory is much harder, as the boundaries aren't so clearly defined, and there's some potential for white to invade; shygost didn't give us an exact number.  I think he was trying to make the point that black is a long way behind now--it might be a good time to resign; or otherwise, black needs to do something spectacular to catch up.  But all this is just my personal opinion--I am a much weaker player than shygost.)

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subtitles: Where to play next?
subtitles: This is the end of a big phase
subtitles: Good time to count.
olczyk [14k\]: 1st firgure if should resign
ray12 [24k\]: bar bar black sheep
GeorgeW [8k\]: R5?
subtitles: 75-80 for W
rayen [8k\]: seems to slow for me
subtitles: W is about 30 ahead
GottaGo [16k?\]: Yup, kill did me in.
subtitles: S13 lived--huge
tetris [-\]: i think that's 75-80 for b, you shd check
subtitles: If B want to continue,
subtitles: time to get aggressive
RikiTiki [6k?\]: N5?]
;
B[cg]
C[(Variation) There's a weakness here...]
;
W[bg]
;
B[bh]
C[...but white is too strong around C13, so this doesn't actually work.

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tetris [-\]: w doesn't have as much as 75-80
rayen [8k\]: oh
Archaic [7k\]: how about g3]
;
AE[bg][cg][bh]
AB[gp]
TR[gp]
C[(Variation)  Around G4, white is heavy.  Cutting directly like this wouldn't work, but there is a weakness here.]
;
AE[gp]
AB[jq]
TR[jq]
C[(Variation)  The K3 area is thin for white.]
;
W[jp]
C[Because of the weakness at G4, white has to play defensively.]
;
B[kq]
;
W[kp]
;
B[lr]
C[This is a big invasion, and there's a good chance that it's sente for black.]
;
AE[jp][kp][kq][lr]
C[(Variation)  If white tries to attack instead...]
;
W[kp]
;
B[iq]
C[...now white needs to defend the weakness at G4...]
;
W[hp]
;
B[lr]
;
W[mr]
;
B[kr]
;
W[mq]
;
B[gr]
C[Note also the cut at K4.]
;
W[lo]
;
B[gq]
;
W[gp]
;
B[in]
;
W[jp]
;
B[nr]
;
W[ms]
;
B[no]
C[This is reasonable for black.]
;
AE[in][lo][no][gp][hp][jp][kp][iq][mq][gr][kr][lr][mr][nr][ms]
AW[gq]
C[(Variation)  For comparison, suppose white already has a stone at G3.]
;
W[kp]
C[Now white can afford to go for the kill.]
;
AE[nb][md][kp][gq][jq]
AB[eh]
TR[eh]
C[(Back to the game)

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(There was also a conversation going on in the background about whether the sides are the worst place to play in the opening.  shygost said no, the centre is worst.  Uberdude [13k\] said "corners then sides then center normal")]
;
W[oc]
;
B[ei]
;
W[di]
;
B[ej]
;
W[dj]
C[This is a mistake by white.  Black's wall could be worth about 20 points.  White _must_ push into the centre...]
;
AE[dj]
AW[fk]
TR[fk]
C[White should play F9.

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subtitles: Yes, wall could be worth 20 points
Back2Basix [9k\]: but if b pushes at d10, w has to worry about b13 push, right?
Archaic [7k\]: b11
Coyotebd [18k?\]: ahh, the glories of the empty triangle]
;
B[dj]
;
W[bj]
C[There is nothing for white to worry about here.  White responds at a distance (B10 not C10).

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dolphyfan [21k\]: responding at a distance is always a hard lesson to forget
pwaldron [4d?\]: now C13 
Back2Basix [9k\]: sorry, push at c13?
pizzahut [13k\]: c13?
subtitles: Nothing for W to worry about here]
;
B[cg]
C[
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Back2Basix [9k\]: then b12 captures a stone?]
;
W[bg]
C[Oh, I was wrong!

(black B12 next, big trouble for white)]
;
AE[bg][cg][bj]
TR[dj]
C[B10 for white doesn't work...]
;
W[bi]
C[...so play here (B11) instead.]
;
B[bj]
;
W[gl]
;
B[fm]
;
W[bk]
C[White can live separately on both sides...]
;
B[cj]
;
W[aj]
C[...or maybe connect under.

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Archaic [7k\]: yay
subtitles: W lives separately
shyfox [13k\]: could white move on lines 17 or 18
subtitles: or maybe connect under
Back2Basix [9k\]: okay
shyfox [13k\]: for an invasion]
;
AE[bi][aj][bj][cj][bk][fk][gl][fm]
AW[dj]
TR[dj]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
B[fk]
C[So, black gets a nice wall here.  White should have come out.  Remember those three questions: no. 3, is it big?]
;
W[jd]
C[This invasion is bad.  It should die.]
;
AE[jd]
AW[ld]
TR[ld]
C[(Variation)]
;
B[md]
;
W[mc]
;
B[me]
C[M16 is safe.

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Comment by transcriber: I wonder if black could play M15 instead of N15, for a ko.]
;
W[kc]
;
AE[kc][mc][ld][md][me]
AW[jd]
TR[jd]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
B[ld]
;
W[jf]
;
B[kh]
C[This is excellent thinking.  Black is very strong on the left, but thin on the right.  L12 is closer to the weak side.

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GottaGo [16k?\]: Must be the lessons!]
;
AE[kh]
AB[jh]
TR[jh]
C[(Variation)  L12 is a very interesting move.  We're used to seeing the cap at K12.

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olczyk [14k\]: How about K16 for Black to eat?]
;
AE[jh]
AB[kh]
TR[kh]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[gg]
C[White fakes a cut...and black falls for it.]
;
B[fg]
;
AE[fg]
AB[ig]
TR[ig]
C[(Variation)  J13--white's dead.]
;
AE[ig]
AB[fg]
TR[fg]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[ig]
;
B[hf]
;
W[jh]
;
B[kg]
C[White is looking life-like now.  There are good possibilities to run or live.]
;
W[hg]
C[Let's talk about H13.  It's gote.

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Archaic [7k\]: r6 so you can extend to side threaten r11 group and invade corner
subtitles: Good possibilities to run or live
AkuSokuZan [-\]: now the 16k quality shows
subtitles: Let's talk about h13]
;
AE[hg]
AW[gf]
TR[gf]
C[(Variation)  G14 is sente.]
;
B[he]
;
W[ge]
;
B[gd]
;
W[jj]
;
AE[jj]
AW[hd]
TR[hd]
C[(Variation)]
;
B[id]
;
W[hc]
;
B[ie]
;
W[je]
;
B[ic]
;
W[gc]
;
B[fd]
;
W[hg]
;
B[ib]
C[It's a long pattern...white is trying to remove the K13 cut in sente.]
;
AE[ib][gc][hc][ic][fd][gd][hd][id][ge][he][ie][je][gf][hg]
AW[jj]
TR[jj]
C[(Variation)  Or maybe white could just run out now.]
;
AE[jj]
AW[hg]
TR[hg]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
B[gf]
;
W[hj]
;
B[gj]
C[Black fell for it again.]
;
AE[gj]
AB[jg]
TR[jg]
C[(Variation)]
;
W[if]
;
B[ih]
;
W[ji]
C[Black can't play this way: J12 is captured.]
;
AE[if][jg][ih][ji]
C[Even if the cut (F10) works, we're alive on both sides.  Black is not weak here.]
;
W[fj]
C[(Variation)]
;
B[gj]
;
AE[fj][gj]
C[Stop passing, and you're stronger!  It sounds silly, but it's important...]
;
B[ef]
C[(Variation) E14 is like passing; it makes three eyes, for no reason.

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Comment by transcriber: black's earlier move at F13 was "like passing" in a similar way; also G11.]
;
AE[ef]
AB[gj]
TR[gj]
C[(Back to the game)

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subtitles: J12 captured
Coyotebd [18k?\]: cutting apart two living groups accomplishes nothing, and thus doesn't need to be defended. Is that the gist?
tetris [-\]: hahaha
subtitles: E14 is like passing--making 3 eyes, no reason.
pizzahut [13k\]: lol]
;
W[ij]
;
B[kj]
;
AE[kj]
AB[lp]
TR[lp]
C[(Variation)]
;
W[kq]
;
B[mp]
C[Black builds a big right side.  Now we can get back to the attack...]
;
B[il]
;
AE[il]
C[(Variation)  ...so white should run out.]
;
W[il]
;
B[ll]
;
AE[il][ll][lp][mp][kq]
AB[kj]
TR[kj]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[il]
LB[fg:B][gj:A]
C[Now white gets out.  This is very big.  A and B are wasted stones.

Little things like this can take you from 20k to 15k in a day.

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subtitles: defending a meaningles scut
subtitles: Now W gets out.
Archaic [7k\]: ke ke ke
subtitles: Very big.
subtitles: A and B are wasted stones.
Uberdude [13k\]: m5 better at n5?
Archaic [7k\]: now b has nothing
GottaGo [16k?\]: Darn. Defend first when I didn't need to.
hlamonde [20k?\]: what was the threat that black saw ?]
;
B[lo]
;
W[ko]
;
AE[ko]
AW[mp]
TR[mp]
C[(Variation)]
;
AE[mp]
AW[ko]
TR[ko]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
B[lp]
;
W[kp]
C[Notice the hole at N4.]
;
B[mq]
;
W[kr]
;
B[km]
;
W[ln]
;
B[mn]
;
AE[mn]
AB[kn]
TR[kn]
C[(Variation)  Black should cut.]
;
AE[kn]
AB[mn]
TR[mn]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[kn]
;
B[lm]
;
W[mo]
;
B[mp]
C[It's better to give up two stones...]
;
AE[mp]
AB[nn]
TR[nn]
C[(Variation)]
;
W[mp]
;
B[np]
;
AE[nn][np]
AB[lo][lp][mp]
TR[mp]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[mm]
;
B[no]
;
W[ml]
;
B[lk]
;
W[mk]
;
B[ol]
C[When you play a lot of pros, you learn...]
;
AE[ol]
AB[mj]
TR[mj]
C[(Variation) ...little weaknesses, pros just eat them up!]
;
W[pl]
;
B[oj]
;
W[qm]
C[
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dolphyfan [21k\]: pro's eat little weaknesses because there probably aren't many big ones for them to take advantage of]
;
B[qo]
C[Defend the weaknesses!]
;
AE[mj][oj][pl][qm][qo]
AB[ol]
TR[ol]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[oi]
;
B[oj]
;
W[ni]
;
B[nj]
;
W[mj]
;
B[mi]
;
W[li]
;
B[mh]
;
W[lj]
;
B[ki]
;
W[kk]
;
B[jk]
;
W[kl]
;
B[jl]
;
W[ll]
;
B[jj]
;
W[jm]
TR[lc][ld][ne][mf][kg][kh][mh][nh][ki][mi][jj][kj][jk][jl]
C[Here's something that kyu players forget all the time.  We've just finished a big phase...black has a new group.

The marked stones are surrounded: time to start making eyes.  The only thing that should be on your mind should be the state of your groups.  "How am I doing".

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ray12 [24k\]: its 10:40 here
Archaic [7k\]: can pros actually read out like 100 variations in the corner
Archaic [7k\]: in their head
subtitles: Here's something that kyu players miss al the time.
subtitles: B forgets he now has a new group
GottaGo [16k?\]: You are right!
subtitles: Just finished a big phase]
;
B[hm]
;
AE[hm]
AB[jb]
TR[jb]
C[(Variation)

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Remillard [-\]: paranoia pays :-)
erislover [12k\]: wow that really is easy to miss 
Uberdude [13k\]: k10 i mean]
;
AE[jb]
AB[hm]
TR[hm]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[hl]
;
B[hn]
;
W[im]
;
B[ke]
C[...well, maybe black didn't forget this time!]
;
W[je]
C[
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(next comment is 25 moves ahead, just keep going...)]
;
B[oh]
;
W[og]
;
B[pi]
;
W[nn]
;
B[on]
;
W[mo]
;
B[oo]
;
W[om]
;
B[pm]
;
W[ok]
;
B[pk]
;
W[nl]
;
B[nm]
;
W[cs]
;
B[cq]
;
W[om]
;
B[pl]
;
W[nm]
;
B[ic]
;
W[jc]
;
B[id]
;
W[ib]
;
B[hb]
;
W[kb]
;
B[lb]
C[
--------

(nearly there...)]
;
W[qq]
C[Should this live?  My intuition is that it's dead.

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tetris [-\]: especially later in the game 
RikiTiki [6k?\]: die
AkuSokuZan [-\]: die
Uberdude [13k\]: die!
Deebster [16k?\]: live
rayen [8k\]: live
erislover [12k\]: ko
subtitles: Should this live?
kilroy [6k\]: die
seancl [18k\]: die
cynewulf [11k?\]: DIES
SudenDeath [-\]: ko
mqt129 [13k?\]: die
Bikerdood [-\]: dead
stupidalex [27k\]: die
hlamonde [20k?\]: death
RikiTiki [6k?\]: very dead
usagi [5k\]: live in ko
dolphyfan [21k\]: everytime you settle one group, check the others before moving, backpacker
Brewhaha [18k\]: die
Pilsun [18k\]: lives
rayen [8k\]: live
sduff [17k?\]: live
hlamonde [20k?\]: because of your tone before
GeorgeW [8k\]: die
Remillard [-\]: ko at best
pizzahut [13k\]: ded
ray12 [24k\]: i dont know
GeorgeW [8k\]: Black is too thick
Archaic [7k\]: it can connect to left
Pilsun [18k\]: ko for seki, 100% positive.
GottaGo [16k?\]: Thumbs up or down.   ^^
Archaic [7k\]: bah
tetris [-\]: hehe
hlamonde [20k?\]: show us
AkuSokuZan [-\]: lol
ray12 [24k\]: lol
shyfox [13k\]: lol
subtitles: Intuition--> it is dead
stupidalex [27k\]: lol]
;
B[pq]
C[This is not a killing move.]
;
AE[pq]
AB[pr]
TR[pr]
C[(Variation)  We want white to run up along the right side, where black is strong.]
;
W[ro]
;
B[qr]
;
W[rm]
;
B[qn]
;
W[rn]
;
B[rq]
;
W[rk]
C[White needs 8 in a row, only got 5.

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Comment by transcriber: the proverb is "8 live, 6 die" (for a string of stones on the 2nd line).  7 will live _if_ white also has sente, but that won't be possible here.]
;
B[ql]
;
W[rl]
;
B[rp]
C[White is dead.]
;
AE[rk][ql][rl][rm][qn][rn][ro][rp][rq][qr]
TR[pr]
C[(Variation)]
;
W[qr]
;
B[rp]
;
W[pq]
;
B[or]
C[Just pull back.  (P3 instead of P2 would be a mistake.)]
;
W[qp]
;
B[ro]
;
AE[ro]
AB[qo]
TR[qo]
C[(Variation)  Don't hane: don't give a free move away.]
;
W[rq]
C[If you hane (R5), white gets a free move (S3).]
;
AE[qo][rq]
AB[ro]
TR[ro]
C[(Back to the other variation)]
;
W[qo]
;
B[qn]
;
W[po]
;
B[pn]
;
W[op]
;
B[np]
;
W[oq]
C[White gets an eye, so kill the other one.]
;
B[rq]
C[White is dead.]
;
AE[pn][qn][po][qo][ro][np][op][qp][rp][oq][rq][or][pr][qr]
AB[pp][pq]
TR[pq]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[qp]
;
B[qo]
C[Q3 was a defensive move.  So is R5.]
;
AE[qo]
AB[ro]
C[(Variation)  Black doesn't need defence here.]
;
AE[ro]
AB[qo]
TR[qo]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[ro]
;
B[rn]
C[There's no need to play "normal" moves (Q3, R5) when black is so strong.

Now it looks like ko.]
;
W[rq]
;
B[so]
;
W[rp]
C[Now it's dead!  The state of this group just keeps changing...

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Note by transcriber: I think S4 is a mistake; white should play T4 instead to make ko.]
;
B[qn]
;
AE[qn]
AB[qr]
TR[qr]
C[(Variation)  Just let white take the stone.  It doesn't mean anything.]
;
W[qn]
;
B[rm]
;
W[po]
;
AE[rm][po][qr]
AB[qn][qo]
TR[qn]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[qr]
;
B[pr]
;
W[sr]
;
B[rs]
;
W[sp]
;
B[qs]
;
W[sn]
;
B[sm]
C[This is a mistake!]
;
AE[sm]
C[(Variation)  If black plays elsewhere...]
;
W[sl]
C[There's no eyes out there.  White is still dead.]
;
AE[sl]
AB[sm]
TR[sm]
C[(Back to the game)]
;
W[rm]
;
B[sl]
;
W[rl]
;
B[sk]
;
W[os]
;
B[ps]
;
W[mr]
;
B[nr]
;
W[ns]
;
B[ho]
;
W[hp]
;
B[cb]
C[It's just endgame from here.

There's 10 minutes left.  Let's look at ko in the corner...]
;
AE[cb][hb][ib][kb][lb][ec][ic][jc][lc][nc][oc][pc][qc][rc][cd][ed][id][jd][ld][nd][od][pd][qd][rd][ce][de][fe][je][ke][ne][oe][cf][df][gf][hf][jf][mf][of][qf][dg][fg][gg][hg][ig][kg][og][rg][ch][dh][eh][jh][kh][mh][nh][oh][ph][qh][rh][di][ei][ki][li][mi][pi][qi][ri][dj][ej][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][ek][fk][jk][kk][mk][ok][pk][sk][cl][el][fl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][pl][rl][sl][dm][em][hm][im][jm][mm][nm][om][pm][rm][sm][bn][cn][dn][fn][hn][kn][ln][nn][on][qn][rn][sn][co][do][fo][go][ho][ko][lo][mo][no][oo][qo][ro][cp][dp][ep][fp][hp][ip][kp][lp][mp][qp][rp][sp][bq][cq][dq][eq][lq][mq][pq][qq][rq][br][cr][dr][er][kr][mr][nr][pr][qr][sr][cs][ds][es][ns][os][ps][qs][rs]
;
W[qq]
C[There are two ways to make ko from here.  It's important to know the difference.]
;
B[qp]
;
W[rp]
;
B[ro]
;
W[rr]
;
B[sp]
;
W[sq]
C[This is the best ko for white.]
;
B[rq]
C[White makes a ko threat somewhere...]
;
W[aa]
C[("Throw away stones"--imagine that instead of A19 there is a ko threat on the board)]
;
B[ba]
C[(Black answers the ko threat)]
;
W[rp]
C[Black can't avoid fighting the ko: if black T5 next...]
;
B[so]
;
W[or]
;
AE[so][or]
C[If white wins the ko...]
;
W[so]
;
B[ca]
;
W[rn]
C[Black's outside thickness is gone.  That is why this is the correct way for white to make ko.]
;
AE[ba][ca][rn][so]
AB[sp]
C[If black wins the ko...]
;
B[rq]
;
W[ba]
;
B[sr]
C[White is dead.

Now let's look at the other way to make ko.]
;
AE[aa][ba][ro][sp][rq][rr][sr]
TR[qp]
;
W[pq]
C[This is cheating.  There is only one way to cheat in go.  What I mean is: you make a bad move on purpose, and hope that the other player makes a mistake.  You'll see white do that sort of thing a lot in handicap games.  When I used to play a lot of handicap games (as white), this is the only way I used to cheat...]
;
B[oq]
;
W[or]
;
B[nr]
;
W[os]
C[Now, 90% of people get the next move wrong.  Where should black play?]
;
B[rq]
C[This is the mistake.]
;
W[rr]
;
B[rp]
;
W[sr]
C[White is alive, no ko.

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Archaic [7k\]: r2!

Comment by transcriber: black R2, white Q2, black R1, white S1--white is alive.  The outside liberties are important: if black plays T3 or O1, white must defend.]
;
AE[rp][rq][rr][sr]
TR[os]
C[Let's go back: what is the proper move for black here?]
;
B[rp]
C[S4 is correct.]
;
W[rq]
;
B[rr]
;
W[sr]
;
B[qr]
C[Now white must be careful...]
;
W[rs]
C[S2 is a mistake.]
;
B[pr]
C[White is dead.]
;
AE[pr][rs]
TR[qr]
;
W[pr]
;
B[qs]
C[White must throw in now to make ko.  If not...]
;
B[rs]
C[White is dead.]
;
AE[rs]
TR[qs]
;
W[rs]
;
B[ss]
C[Now, if white wins this ko...]
;
W[aa]
;
B[ba]
;
W[rs]
;
B[ca]
;
W[ps]
C[...white is alive, but black still has the outside.  That's why the other ko is better.

Five minutes left...what else can we look at?]
;
AE[aa][ba][ca][qp][rp][oq][pq][qq][rq][nr][or][pr][sr][os][ps][rs]
AB[qj]
C[The taisha in 3 minutes?  I don't think so...maybe 3 years...

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Archaic [7k\]: TAISHA
subtitles: We see this a lot.
SudenDeath [-\]: taisha?
Remillard [-\]: not taisha... but it does have a lot of ways
rayen [8k\]: probe
subtitles: B can play in corner or outside
Archaic [7k\]: show us taisha
Archaic [7k\]: lol
pizzahut [13k\]: hahaha
tetris [-\]: haha
Remillard [-\]: ;-)
SudenDeath [-\]: lol
Archaic [7k\]: show us speed taisha in 3 minutes
subtitles: The taisha in 3 minutes: I don't think so.
subtitles: Maybe 3 years.
Archaic [7k\]: group tax
sagax2005 [10k?\]: to see another day!!!]
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W[qp]
C[This is very common.  Black can play in the corner or on the outside.]
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B[qq]
C[If you have suggestions about topics for future lessons, please email me: shygost@pacbell.net

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rayen [8k\]: even pro make mistakes in the most complex ones ^^
pizzahut [13k\]: taisha made easy
SudenDeath [-\]: i think oonadare is more complex :s
sagax2005 [10k?\]: 3  milleniums
ray12 [24k\]: taisha?
mallow [17k?\]: rivaled only by the great avalanche.
shygost [-\]: shygost@pacbell.net
Archaic [7k\]: OH
Archaic [7k\]: shyguy
subtitles: If you have serious topics, please email
Archaic [7k\]: i've been looking to know the meaning of the derivation of the rules]
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W[qo]
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B[rq]
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W[po]
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B[op]
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W[ql]
C[White lives comfortably.  This is an easy way to invade.

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subtitles: W lives comfortably
subtitles: Easy way to invade
Archaic [7k\]: i read something on sensei library or something about group tax
Archaic [7k\]: and ancient chinese rules
ray12 [24k\]: lol
Launchpad [-\]: joseki prime
SudenDeath [-\]: *_*
Archaic [7k\]: it's wierd
Archaic [7k\]: it's the original rules
sagax2005 [10k?\]: -_-|||
subtitles: (ancient chinese rules--lose 2 points for every group you have)
Archaic [7k\]: like how they came to be
Remillard [-\]: read john fairbairns essays]
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AE[ql][po][qo][op][qq][rq]
TR[qp]
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B[qo]
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W[ro]
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B[po]
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W[rp]
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B[rn]
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W[pq]
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B[oq]
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W[pr]
C[This is the other way.]
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AE[rn][po][qo][qp][rp][oq][pq][pr]
TR[ro]
C[This is another common invasion.]
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B[qp]
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W[ql]
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B[oj]
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W[ol]
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AE[oj][ol][ql][ro][qp]
AW[rp]
C[This is also common.]
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B[qp]
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W[ro]
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B[rq]
C[The pattern is very similar.]
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W[ql]
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B[oj]
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W[ol]
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AE[oj][ol][ql][ro][qp][rp][rq]
C[
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shyfox [13k\]: what is the purpose of r 10? is it better than lets say r 9]
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AE[qj][nq]
AB[pj]
TR[pj][pp]
C[This distance is particular--it's the 5 space rule.]
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AE[pj][pp]
AB[pk][pq]
C[The Chinese opening has the same distance.

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Note by transcriber: the Chinese opening is Q16, Q3, Q9; or Q16, Q3, R9.]
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AE[pk][pq]
AB[pi][pp]
C[Now this is an improper distance.  When there are 6 spaces...]
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W[qn]
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B[qo]
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W[pn]
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B[np]
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W[qk]
C[White has an extension for life.]
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AE[pi][qk][pn][qn][qo][np]
AB[pj]
C[With 5 spaces...]
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W[qn]
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B[qo]
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W[pn]
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B[np]
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W[ql]
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B[qk]
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W[pl]
C[White is not alive yet.]
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AE[qk][pl][ql][pn][qn][qo][np]
C[If 5 spaces already makes it difficult for white to come in...]
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AE[pj]
AB[pk]
C[... then why would you bother taking less?

This is the end of the lesson.

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hlamonde [20k?\]: will the next lecture be a reviewed game ?
tetris [-\]: r9 is not shoulder hit
Uvas [-\]: r9 instead of r8?
Launchpad [-\]: what time is it your time now?
subtitles: Next lecture is tomorow (my time: PST)
ray12 [24k\]: lol
NannyOgg [-\]: 7:30am PST
subtitles: at 7:30 a.m.
tetris [-\]: it's just a bad move
GottaGo [16k?\]: THANKS FOR THE GAME REVIEW!!!
hlamonde [20k?\]: tommorrow is another game review ?
Archaic [7k\]: shyghost search sensei library for ancient chinese philosophy read the original song and tang dynasty rules (those were the best dynasties of china's history) it tells you why the rules are the way they are i've figured out a little but not all of it the reason for why territory is considered "capturing" and therefore "points" since "capture" is what go is truly about it's about how if you keep playing on toward infinity you play virtual moves in other people's two eyes and that's why terriotry is considered points
Launchpad [-\]: what time is it where you are?
kwinin [16k\]: thanks for the lecture
rayen [8k\]: thx
Jaydee [19k\]: your pay pal? again, please : )
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx for the review
AkuSokuZan [-\]: Thank you! I learned alot
SudenDeath [-\]: thanks shy
mallow [17k?\]: thanks a lot
pizzahut [13k\]: thanks
Archaic [7k\]: KE KE KE
NannyOgg [-\]: Thank you , shygost
shyfox [13k\]: thank you verry much
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thanks shygost
yasemin [17k?\]: thx
offtosea [13k\]: thanks!
seancl [18k\]: thanks!
hlamonde [20k?\]: is tommorrow another game review ?
Deebster [16k?\]: cheers
dolphyfan [21k\]: thank you shygost
ray12 [24k\]: if its 11:01 wat time will that be?
mqt129 [13k?\]: thx
stupidalex [27k\]: thx
Pilsun [18k\]: thank you.
hlamonde [20k?\]: thank you
NannyOgg [-\]: it's 11pm PST right now
Back2Basix [9k\]: thanks
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thanks a lot
ConanHoye [30k?\]: thank you!!!
dogenzenji [27k?\]: Thanks shygost!
backpacker [9k\]: bye
Rambam [13k\]: thank you :D
Ixo [18k\]: Thanks
Launchpad [-\]: thanks k
backpacker [9k\]: thx
Uberdude [13k\]: thx
kyucumber [5k\]:  thanks a lot
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
quatschi [14k\]: thx
Sub0 [16k\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
subtitles: thanks, you're welcome x lots, etc
hlamonde [20k?\]: bye
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
RikiTiki [6k?\]: thanks
shyfox [13k\]: bye
GottaGo [16k?\]: bye
subtitles: See you later.
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
AkuSokuZan [-\]: wow that was excellent
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
sagax2005 [10k?\]: thx
dolphyfan [21k\]: 730AM?
Deebster [16k?\]: 15:30 gmt
Uberdude [13k\]: guy is keen
subtitles: 11 1/2 hours from now
dolphyfan [21k\]: pacific time]
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AE[dd][pk][pp]
C[
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Transcription is by xela (xela on KGS; http://senseis.xmp.net/?Xela).  Apologies for all the mistakes.  I'm relying on my memory, plus the bits I managed to subtitle at the time.  The text isn't shygost's exact words; I've paraphrased, summarised, and left out some bits.  Also, some of the variations are probably in the wrong order.  If anyone would like to go through the audio recording and make a new improved version, I'm happy to be corrected.

Questions/comments/corrections should be posted to the web page http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shygost/Lessons]
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